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Firing order of a 74 Honda CB350F
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Scott
2012-02-27 01:34:19 UTC
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I am trying to get this bike put back together but I need to know how
the cylinders are numbered. I am guessing 1 is all the way to the
left then 2,3 and 4. Just needing to know so I can hook up my coils.
Thanks,
Scott
The Older Gentleman
2012-02-27 06:22:22 UTC
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Post by Scott
I am trying to get this bike put back together but I need to know how
the cylinders are numbered. I am guessing 1 is all the way to the
left then 2,3 and 4. Just needing to know so I can hook up my coils.
Thanks,
Scott
That's the way yhe cylinders are numbered, yes. Not the same thing as
the firing order, though, but the coils use a wasted spark system so as
long as you've plugged them in correctly, it'll work.
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2012-02-27 21:42:52 UTC
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Post by Scott
I am trying to get this bike put back together but I need to know how
the cylinders are numbered.  I am guessing 1 is all the way to the
left then 2,3 and 4.  Just needing to know so I can hook up my coils.
The firing order of an I-4 has traditionally been 1, 3, 4, 2.

The cylinders are numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, from left to right, from the
viewpoint of the rider astride the motorcycle.

The spark plug leads coming from the coils on the left must be
connected to the the #1 and #4 spark plugs and the
spark plug leads coming from the coils on the right must be connected
to the #2 and #3 spark plugs.

You can mix up the leads between #1 and #4 or between #2 and #3, and
the engine will run just fine.
Scott
2012-02-27 22:43:09 UTC
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Thanks for the replies they were just what I was looking for. The
bike is very hard starting but once warmed up it sounds fine. I have
plugs, points and condensers coming this week so I am hoping that will
help with the starting. The bike had been sitting for a long time
before I started taking it apart so I am sure it could use a tune up.
Thanks again for the replies.

Scott
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2012-02-28 19:50:05 UTC
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 The bike is very hard starting but once warmed up it sounds fine.
The basic problem with any of those old Kettering ignition systems
(battery, points, condensor and coil) was low voltage caused by poor
condition of the contact points.

The ignition coils also had to be rather small so that inductive
reactance wouldn't prevent the rapid breakdown of the magnetic field
in the coils that produced a spark.

So the systems were lucky to produce 9000 to 12000 volts.

A spark that weak has a hard timing jumping a .0.028 inch spark plug
gap, and a gap of 0.025 inch works better.

Old time riders will also swear up and down that their engines
wouldn't start until they fried the spark plugs with a blow torch.

The real problem was that a lower voltage spark doesn't produce enough
heat *power* (in joules) to light off a relatively weak mixture.

The carburetor engineers were actually working against the ignition
engineers as they attempted to get good fuel economy out of their
carbs.

Our solution back in the 1970's was to make the idle mixture a little
richer by turning the idle air screws clockwise a half turn or so.

We were also installing K-Mart ignition coils which produced 35,000
volts.

They would make a bright white spark an inch long compared to the
feeble 1/4 inch long spark coming from the stock coils.

There was a penalty for using those big K-Mart coils, they burned up
the ignition points rapidly.

I had a transistorized switching box which was trigger by the ignition
points. The box handled the heavy current, the points just controlled
the switching transistors.

You might want to check with www.oldbikebarn.com to see if they sell a
transistorized ignition system for your bike.

Dyna and Dyna-S were two models of electronic ignition which are worth
looking into.

Unless you're a masochist and you are willing to put up with ignition
points in the interest of "authenticity."
The Older Gentleman
2012-02-28 21:16:22 UTC
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2020-03-20 17:13:20 UTC
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Firing order is 1 3 4 2 with left cylinder being number 1 as your are sitting on the bike. I have five of these CB350F's....
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